So I’m here today with Lainey Levy, Lainey is a multifaceted, creative and helper, blending her talents as a graphic designer, a painter, singer songwriter, sound healer, and transformational coach, and with a deep passion for art and music, Laney crafts visual and auditory experiences that inspire, uplift, ground and encourage deeper self-exploration as we navigate uncertain and unstable times. Laney believes this is an opportunity to dive discovering what we are genuinely seeking as humans through our pain and disconnection. We come to a deeper yearning for something new. Through her work, she guides others on transformative journeys, helping them connect with their true selves, embrace their unique path, and enter into a space of prayer. Laney emphasizes the need for spaces where we can show up as we are with all that we are carrying, and allow our bodies to release the intense energy that we are collectively moving through. Love that. Whether it’s through her soulful melodies or sound bathing sessions. Mamie’s mission is to empower others to meet themselves where they truly are and bring compassion, love and prayer to their So with that Thank you. before we begin, I would love for you to guide us in a settling prayer and really all the listeners, inviting myself, inviting you wherever you are in your day. Even if you know you’re busy doing things you’re driving, you can still take this moment to settle within yourself. To create To arrive Whatever You can in this moment. Cool. Yeah. So let’s just take some deep breaths. Just feel the chair beneath you. Wherever you’re sitting. Just take a second to feel your body on the And just feel yourself in this moment. In the space that you’re Taking deep And just allowing whatever is with you in your head and in your let it be there. I’ll just say a quick prayer for for Hashem. I still haven’t prayed yet today, so this will be my first real verbal prayer. Help us have a real conversation. Help us be present with each other with the questions, and help us express ourselves authentically and just show up to this moment and with gratitude. And Without and with compassion. If there is just allowing ourselves to really show as fully as we and helping us talk you know, the things that are going on and in the world and in our with vulnerability and honesty and authenticity. And help us pray, help us, help us bring you into help us be in this And like, bless these words that whatever comes brings healing and more connection and more presence into the world. Thank you for that. Yeah. That was such a beautiful prayer. Thank. and even just having read your bio and, talking about It being sort of like this vital point in your life, right? and starting with, I feel like so many people maybe come to podcasts or to recordings for And I wonder if maybe you look at that in a different way. And also around our conversation today of answers versus Yeah. I like prayers create space for the unknown, Like, we really don’t know that much. Even with all the research and there’s really so much that is so unknown about the human psyche and about human existence and about all the struggles that we go and prayer, although it’s like it’s a central focus in my life, but it’s also a huge struggle of mine. Like, it’s really not an easy thing to have an authentic prayer feel like you’re being heard and feel like you’re actually saying anything of I think it’s like a really important. Very important pulse like life force to have, because it’s getting you to the what you’re really wanting and what you’re really searching for. And there really isn’t necessarily an answer of how or how it will manifest or what you need to do. It’s more of just this is what I want and I need help from something outside like I need. It’s I can do as much as I possibly can in this world and like take step by take steps and do my I’ll do whatever. At the end of the day, it’s you need divine help to really do, to really get to where you’re trying to get to. and I feel like prayer is it’s like becoming humble and realizing, like, you don’t know, I really don’t feel like I know anything. I just feel like I am trying to just show up the best way that I can every day. And prayer helps me remember that, you know? Yes, I love that, especially because there’s I mean, the whole like, therapy movement. We’re talking about healing. We’re talking about this. And for so many people for so long, the spiritual peace just goes out the window. And so it’s like healing. And it’s like, you know, like, I know I have answers or I’m getting somewhere and like for a long time, that piece of like the connection to divine and it’s just, it’s missing, and there’s something really special in that comes full circle. I can be in the healing world that can be, you know, evolving as a human. It can be in touch with myself. And I remember the importance of of being that prayer of holding that of remembering that divine connection. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it’s so funny because, like, we’re like, as humans, like, we’re designed to really feel like we have so much control. Like we really feel like we have control. Like we just do the things and then they happen, and that’s because of us. But really, I mean, living in Israel, it’s much easier to see that you really don’t have control over anything and your plans are so easily, like destroyed in a second. And it’s like a miracle when things go the way that you think that they’ll go. I and I feel like it’s not even the point. Like I feel like. Being able to like flow with what actually is happening and like work with like the mistakes or the inconveniences and realize they’re like part of the experience and they’re like guiding you to something and they’re helping you get deeper in yourself. And it’s all so, like specific for you and divine. So, even though you have these external goals and you really can make them happen by doing things step by step, there’s always going to be things that, like, are coming your way, that are going to throw you off and make you feel like an idiot or a failure and like whatever comes up for you. Like, that’s really important. And it’s part of the process. And it’s I feel like that is the whole point of doing anything is like who you become while you’re doing these things, like what’s that’s the it’s the journey, you know? yeah, I actually just read in this book recently. I don’t remember what it’s called, but it was like a line that stayed with me was, it’s not what you do, it’s how you do it. It’s literally Yeah. what you’re saying. It’s like, this is your becoming. This is your it’s not what you’re necessarily doing. It’s how are you doing it? How are you being with your life? and on that note, like just remembering, I mean, how this whole thing, this whole talk even came about, we bumped into each other at, like, a woman’s circle. And you had said this story that just really touched me, and I really would love for you to share that today, because I feel like it’s very relevant for the listeners. And just to bring that, that element into here and that that inner child and or whatever the child in us and how we’re all just sort of walking around and, and also like weaving into all of that. I think the main topic of today of, like kind of the fragmentation of societal norms now and how people are living lives. Yeah, That’s a lot. yeah. I I just mean, want we’ll to bring start. it all I’ll in. start, start with the with the party with the woman’s circle, which was so beautiful. Shout out to Rina. It was her birthday. Yeah, it was so beautiful. And I feel like that night I was very inspired. Scottish is just like a very special time. Like, there’s a very special energy every single month. And I felt like this little like, we have just been going through so much with what’s going on here in Israel. So much pain, unbelievable pain. I just I just felt like when I was at the Scottish circle, I was really I was just realizing, like, we’re going through something so tremendously painful and, like, I’m so grateful that in my life, I have Scottish circles with women that I get to go to and like, talk about what’s going on. and I think that night, I think what you were trying the story, you’re trying to talk about, what I’m trying is what I was trying to say was basically just that we’re just like children walking around trying to, like, get things done. But really, what we what we really need is, like, just so much love and so much seeing and so much like, so many hugs and kisses and like appreciation for being who we are and for showing up in our lives. And we need like hugs and kisses and being appreciated. Like that’s what we’re all yearning for, really, at the end of the day, it’s like we’re we’re out there and we’re doing all these things and we’re striving and we’re making a podcast, and we’re doing our healing and we’re doing our, you know, and it’s just but at the end of the day, like, what we all really want is love and like to feel appreciated and seen and held and like, I feel like because we’re going through so much here in Israel, and of course, around the world to like. I feel like that’s just becoming more and more apparent. Like it’s becoming harder and harder like to be alone and like, be in all this pain and like, we need each other to, like, lift each other up and give each other love and to feel seen, you know, and I think that, like, without the inner work, you really don’t know how to do, it’s hard to know how to do that for someone. So I think, like the inner work and and the pain that’s coming up is asking us to like, really go deeper in ourselves and give ourselves more and more compassion and more space and more understanding. what’s so beautiful about that is that when you do that for yourself, you can really bring that to all of your relationships, and that’s what other people really need from It’s like the greatest gift in the world be in a relationship with someone that when you’re in your darkness and in your pain and in your soul, for someone to see you in that and just love and like, be like, I get that you’re being mean right now because you’re just in your darkness and I still love you and I, and I see you and I get it. And like so I think that the more I do my, my inner work and, and bring the compassion to like my flaws and my darkness and my shame and my guilt, the better I am at seeing my friends in that, seeing other people in that and being able to just be like, you’re so great, though. Like you’re just so great. Like, like it’s fine that you’re in a darkness right now. Like, I love you, I love you, and I see you and I get it. And like, and that’s what we need from each other. And I like that’s why it’s so. It’s so cool in a way that we’re going through such hard times. Because we have an opportunity to really love ourselves through it, and then bring more of that into the world and into our relationships and for each other, because we all the world needs more of that, you know. Yeah, definitely. I’m like, as you’re saying that I kind of imagined, like, I feel like my two year old when he looks at me and like, I just show him that, like my loving face. Like, I feel like it’s kind of what you’re offering the world. It’s like this. Like, Mhm. as you’re saying that it’s like like the two year old in me is like, wow. Like, oh, I’m so loved. And like, And. Yeah. And like how we all need that and deserve that and and beautifully like what you said is when I can honor those parts of me and like the darkness in me or the, the pain in me. So then I am more I open to others. And Yeah. even when people act in, you know, ways that seem otherwise, you’re able to see past it, you’re able to see deeper. Yeah. And also you experience like I mean like also like I’ll, I’ll share a little bit of a story like I last year I had surgery on my leg and I had like all these issues with my legs, I couldn’t really walk a lot and I was like having a lot of depression because of it, because I couldn’t go anywhere. And it was just really tough time for me. And I felt like people were not able to be there for me in the way that I needed. Like it was really unfortunate. It was like such a struggle for me. It was like I was trying to communicate like, I need you to come over and like, get me groceries and like, I need help. You know what I’m saying? I struggle with that. I’m sure everyone does. It’s so hard to feel helpless. And I was able to do it to a certain degree. But there was like a part of me that was just like, wow. Like people are just so involved in their lives. And like at the end of the day, it kind of feels like I can’t rely on anyone except for myself. And it was like a really tough reality for me, like a really tough thing. But now that I’ve had that experience, when I see other my friends going through a depression or going through a tough time like I know the way that I would, I would have wished someone could have been there for me. So now I can do that for them. Like I can now see my friend. She’s struggling with depression and I can be like, hey, I’m checking in on you every day with a text message. I’m coming over and I’m giving you a hug, even if it’s just for 20 minutes. I’m just going to spend time in your house and help you clean a little. Like, no pressure to talk to me, like. Just like. And that’s. Those are the things that I would have loved if someone could have just read my mind and do for me. And I didn’t have that. And that sucks. But now I get to do that for other people. And I’m sure and I’m sure that that the next time I go through something hard, like my friends will be there for me the way that I need because I was there for them. Just like this teaching and this learning and like learning how to love each other and learning how to be there when we’re going through tough things, like especially because now like, like it’s less taboo to like, say that you have anxiety and say that you have depression and say that you’re struggling. I thank God we’re moving away from that, and we’re moving into a more honest world where we can like, be honest that like, we’re not always feeling the best, you know, and we struggle. And I think that’s really good step. And an even deeper step would be like, okay, so now that we can express that and share that with our friends, how can we actually show up for each other? And like when, when is it your time to do your inner work and when is it my time to show up for show up as a friend, you know, and show up as a loving person? because I think that there’s both. But to know how to do that, you know. Right? Definitely. And something you also mentioned at the Scottish Circle was. It’s like even with that awareness, we’re still sort of living, living in these lives where it’s like, okay, I work by a computer all day or whatever. I go to work and then or I’m hustling or I’m taking care of my kids. And like, people are just sort of living in their little isolated boxes. Yeah, that’s been like and a big so thing even I’ve been thinking right, about. Yeah. even with the awareness, I can be aware. Oh, like already it’s a big step. Someone realizes, oh, people having people in my life, it can be very healthy thing, but then actually implementing it, right. And like, why is it getting to a point where people are feeling, you know, these heavy waves of depression or anxiety, like where’s the preventative care there? The society is creating this, this collective pattern, collective wounding, whatever you want to call it. Yeah. Like, I feel like, unfortunately, like we’re living in a such a such a fascinating time. I feel like every generation is fascinating in its own way. But like, our generation is fascinating because, like, I really don’t think that we society, matches the, the type of people that are. Living in it today. Like I feel like everything is is getting so fast and overwhelming and, and we’re like, going to work working these 9 to 5 jobs that, like, don’t really speak to us. And like a lot of us are very creative and thank God, like, there’s so many platforms like there’s podcasts and there’s Instagram and like now we have more creative freedom. And like there is like there is that movement happening. And at the same time we’re like, some people are just still very much stuck in their own lives, taking care of just themselves or their families. No communities, not a lot of nature. Time in cubicles on their computer at home, working remote jobs by themselves. Like there’s not a priority in, like, coming together and being together and being in nature and exploring our creativity and building communities and being there for each other. And, you know, we don’t really know how to. We’re not living like that. It’s not I think we’re all yearning to find lifestyle, a lifestyle that is holistic and healthy. we’re we’re navigating a way of life that no longer really works for our bodies. most people feel dysregulated and anxious and depressed and don’t know why and are addicted to their phones and are on screens all day and can’t sleep and don’t have good relationships, and find themselves being alone and afraid to reach out to people and be person to person and be in party settings. And it’s just it’s difficult and, we don’t know how to be together and. And I think people are really scared. And I think that it’s just it’s a difficult, it’s difficult to navigate like this yearning for, like a healthier lifestyle and then stuck in a lifestyle that, like, doesn’t really work. And not knowing how to bridge the two. And like, we’re really in like a transitional time of, like, wanting to be somewhere else but stuck in our old ways and feeling the feeling like so much anxiety around it and so much like toxicity, like it’s it’s toxic, like it’s it’s not healthy. There’s something significantly wrong about the way that we’re living. And, and I think that like, we’re, we’re ready to I think we’re ready to do the work to change. I think that, like, we have to change at some point, like we have to change things because it’s just unhealthy. And I don’t think it’s. Yeah. Right. People are they’re more interested in like the holistic or integrative, and yet they’re still living these lives and kind of sometimes blaming themselves, you know, like, oh, I’m anxious because I’m anxious or I’m overwhelmed because I’m overwhelmed and it’s like, yes, and you’re overwhelmed because Right? you’re alone. Like it’s it’s Yes. not normal for a human to be alone for so many hours. Yes. Of course, there’s health to, you know, recharging, taking time for yourself, connecting with yourself. But like, I notice my physiology gets dysregulated on the days when I’m spending too much time on my own. Exactly. And I feel it and I feel it not just affects, you know, my mood or my emotions. Suddenly, like, I could eat something and like have like a glucose spike from it because like a physiological Wow. reaction, Wow. because of the stress my body’s under from being so isolated. Wow. So. That’s Yeah. crazy. Yeah. Yeah. And I totally resonate, like, I. I feel like for a long time, I was like. So in this, like, deep healing myself phase. And I was like, it’s my anxiety. It’s my it’s my depression. It’s my struggles in life, you know what I’m saying? And and there’s totally truth to that. I like, did I really had to do a lot of inner work, and now I just feel like I still obviously have to do in or work for the rest of my life. But I also feel like, like, there’s a certain point where, like, I’m actually healthy and normal and something is off about, like the way that I’m living, like, it’s like I live it. I feel like it’s so I feel like I’m the person. Link meaning you said that we want to live these holistic lives and we’re still not living them. Like, I fully feel like I’m like that. I’m trying to live a holistic life. I’m trying to get healthier, trying to do things that really resonate with my soul and and connect with people. And yet I’m still living in a city and I still spend so much time alone. And I don’t even have, like, a family. Like, I’m like, really alone by myself. And it’s just not healthy. It’s just not healthy. And and I and, Yeah, it’s a question of mine. It’s like, how can can I, can it be more healthy even though, like, everyone’s busy and like, you know, even people who aren’t that busy, like, like we just get sucked into our lives and we forget that we have to be together, you know, I feel blessed that I’m a Jew and I get to celebrate Shabbat every, every weekend. And like, I get to, okay, like, on Shabbat, I get to be around people. I don’t have to do anything. I just have to eat and chill and be with people. And that’s all I have to do. But like, that’s not enough. It’s not enough. Right. This drove me to my throat. Excuse my throat, everyone. This drove me crazy for years of, like, that was the. That was the pattern that I noticed that people would just hustle, hustle, hustle. And then. Oh, Shabbat. We have Shabbat, you know, like, that’s our time to rest. That’s your time to connect. And. And I remember just feeling so dysregulated in that lifestyle of, like, wait, something’s not right here. Like, maybe it works for some people I don’t know. I’m not going to speak for anyone else. I’ll speak for myself. It did not work for me. And I say this because maybe someone out there can hear this and be like, maybe it doesn’t work for me either. And I just haven’t had a moment to, like, even like sense that, to realize it once a week, to hang out with friends, like what’s happening the rest of the week. Or once a week to connect in a meaningful way or to connect in a nourishing Yeah. Like literally like I was I last night, I was at a friend’s birthday party and we were just, you know, women sitting women circle, you know, just like sitting together and talking about our lives, talking about what we’re going through. And like, it just it’s like it’s a reminder that you’re okay. Everyone is going through stuff, you know, and like, it’s just normal. It’s normal. And like, I feel very blessed that I live in a place and time, and I know people who are willing to be vulnerable and talk about their feelings and talk about what they’re going through spiritually and what they want on a deep level. because when people go there to that point, it’s like, I resonate with that. Like I’m also struggling with that. Like I also want that in my life and like, oh, we’re all going through the same things like we really are. It’s just all like in our life story, but we’re all going through such similar things. We’re moving through something collectively, like even though it doesn’t feel like we are because but that’s the thing is, like, I think when we come together, we realize that we’re a collective. We’re not just individuals, and we’re going through something together, everyone in their own way. And you don’t have to feel so alone in it. And I think that’s where we really are. Something is off because we all feel so alone in our stuff, but we’re all going through it. So it’s it’s It’s such a shame because we’re feeling isolated when when really we’re all going through the same things, you know, in our own ways. And there’s so much shame and guilt also around what we’re going through and like and I just, I yeah, I just, I think the more we come together, I don’t know this is like a yearning of mine. It’s like a prayer. It’s I don’t really know what it is that I want even. But I just know that there’s like a coming together that I want, that I know I’m not alone and that I know so many people want. And it’s not just like a oh, like a, oh, I have a community and I go to school and I read the Torah. It’s like, no, there’s something that I want. It’s something more. And I don’t really know what that is, but I just know it’s like a connection that I’m seeking from, from a larger group of people that like, understand this, like that can go deeper and talk about like what life is really about, what we’re all going through on a spiritual level, on a physical level, like what we’re going through in our families and in our relationships, and to not feel so isolated in our problems. yeah. Yeah. Even just like, having said that, like. There’s a part of me that. Yeah, just wants to make space for that instead of, like, white in that space. Like you said, it’s for a while I’ve been asking this question, right? Of like. So, you know, we need this collective healing, this collective turnaround. But how? Right? How can we make the even the the healing world itself is so can be so isolated. Fixing your therapist one on one or and there’s a place where it it’s impactful and at the same time. Right. How can we expand that. How can we come together as like a people? How can we be transforming collectively? Yeah, and, I and think, I kind think of melting it’s like. away some of that shame and that. Yeah, that pain. Yeah, yeah. I feel like that’s it’s like that’s the yearning. Like I definitely think that’s for me like what’s coming up the most during lol right now. which I think is like so appropriate because it’s like, this is really the time to be tapping into like, what are we bringing into this year? What do we really want? And it’s not just like, what do I really want for my life? It expands out collectively. Like, I really, really believe that what I’m going through and what I’m yearning for is really like a collective yearning to, and, we’re part of something bigger, and we’re bringing something down and into the world through our experience and through the pain that we are going through and the disconnection and the confusion and isolation that so many people feel like it’s to get us to, what do you want? What do you want for this world? Like, what do we want together? Like, let’s, let’s we’re also smart and we’re also creative and and so wanting to to make a better place for the world and for our children and for, you know, and we can do it. We can do it, but we have to we have to let go deep and like and and get real, you know, like. And not states of surface level of like what we’re what we’re trying to get. It’s not just like my success. Like it’s not just like me having a lot of money and doing and making my dreams come true and having a family and whatever my dreams are, it’s about like together. Like all like, encouraging each other. The more good for each other, the more good for everyone else, like and like supporting and carrying each other. Because really, when we carry each other, we’re carrying ourselves. We’re carrying, you know, it’s it’s a together thing. And, and I also feel like, you know, like, like even like the work of, like the avatar of, like, not being jealous, you know, of someone else’s success. Like, that’s such a beautiful, deep thing that the reason that we shouldn’t be jealous of each other is because I am you, and you are me. The more good you get, the more good it is for me. And that’s obviously a very high level. Like it’s not something I always experience. I for sure experience my own jealousy and like, you know, when I’m not in a in a good place about myself and not feeling good about myself, I for sure feel that. But like to remember that like, like we are, we’re doing this together and like, they’re like, we should be uplifting each other and helping each other fulfill our dreams and not competing with each other. We should be like wanting everyone to be the best version of themselves, because the best version of you is the best version of like you’re going to pull. I need you to be the best version of you, so that I can be the best version of me, that we can bring more light into the world. Yeah. And with that, it’s kind of like a. It’s like the counter effect of. I don’t even know how to say what I’m trying to say, but like, it’s like the remedy that collective space is, it’s so much more than like, oh, we’re working together. It’s like widening that space, widening the power. And it’s really like, it’s what it sounds like. It’s like a way of life, you know? for so many years, I think it really was put out there. Like, healing is like, you know, itself or, it’s, the self. What’s the that whole self self-help, you know, books and it’s I’m on this my own. On my own. Right. And that’s a recapitulation of the original wounding of I’m on my own. And then here you’re saying like it’s more than just, oh, I’m working with you and you’re working with me. It’s like a it’s an entire mindset shift. It’s an integration. It’s two becomes one. and with that perspective, I’m not only connected to you or to the next person, but I’m connected to the collective. And then from the collective, I could be connected to my ancestors and my ancestors. I could be, you know, and like it widens out and winding down and widens out. And I’ve noticed in myself, whenever I’ve hit a point of something that was like, really challenging, the thing that got me through it was widening out to that collective opening that space. Yeah. And like really welcoming. Right. Trauma often is an experience of narrow narrowing. It’s like I’m just here, I’m alone, and there’s a process where it can kind of widen out, and I’m not just experiencing myself, and I’m here and I’m alone, but suddenly I’m like, I’m able to open this space to whether it’s the collective like other people in the world or humans, their souls that have gone through something that is similar to me. And then and then we’re all in it together. Or maybe it’s my ancestors and I’m like, wow, ancestors like. I’m here for a reason. Like I know it has to do with your fixings and my fixings and or whatever. And suddenly there’s people backing me up, and Mhm. I can feel that. And the space widens Mhm. and it goes from really narrow, really tight to suddenly. And that’s like a practice you can do on your own, which is so beautiful. And then, like, it can also impact how you actually feel connected to other people and to the collective. And this feeling of like, yeah, I am surrounded by whatever it is, this wider space, this wider field. And that’s where like a lot of the healing is held. Does that answer your question. Yeah. Beautiful. Yeah, totally. Mhm. Yeah. And even taking a moment just to and inviting listeners as well just checking in and seeing like how am I doing hearing all this. How is this for me. What parts or sensations do I notice. And asking what else is alive? What else? Can be opened up. What else would be nourishing? Anything come to mind? No. I just feel very grateful to like, have these conversations and to just be able to, to talk about what’s going on. and. It’s so cool that through my own healing and through your own healing, like, we’ve kind of like we’re meeting more and more people that, like, really are on this path and really want goodness for the world and really want togetherness and are really yearning for like a better time for all of us, you know? like, I really I don’t even know if we realize how dark it is because it is very dark in the world. It’s very dark time. And at the same time, there’s so many people that have so much light and and want so much goodness for the world and are working so hard on themselves over time and working so hard to bring. Mitzvot and hast and kindness and just goodness to the world. And I just feel lucky to be a part of that. And and that you’re doing your podcast and you’re having conversations like this and maybe like for anyone who’s listening, like, who really feels that they have that light and that they want to express their light and they really want they really want to help and they really want goodness, like to just take a moment and appreciate yourself for for all the work and yearning and light that you have inside, and just feel. Grateful for yourself and grateful for there’s there is a lot of goodness in the world. There’s a lot of of goodness here. And I just feel very blessed to like, get to see that you know, and get to feel that. Yeah. Hmm. And also by, by just acknowledging and naming it. So then you bring it out even more. It’s like you’re perpetuating the thing that you want to see in the world, Yeah, right? Which is yeah. it’s a side note, but it’s so important, you know, sometimes like it’s like, oh, there’s so much pain, there’s so much sadness and just not even. It’s like, what do you want? And like, you’re bringing out what you want and making it a thing and and letting people know. Right. And then hopefully someone out there is listening to me like, well, yeah, that’s me. And like I feel more connected now. I feel more a part of something. Yeah. Yeah. And also, like, even if you’re not, I also want to say to the to anyone listening, even if you’re not doing anything about it and you’re just, you’re, you’re just in your yearning and in your prayers. And even if you want to do something but you’re not there yet, you know what I’m saying? Like just appreciating the fact that you want that and that you’re doing it by wanting it. You’re you’re you’re literally doing it by wanting it and by having a yearning for it. And there’s so much pressure to, like, do something and like make something of yourself and like, become this and that and do this and that. And it’s just like, that’s nice. And hopefully you’ll be able to express yourself and do what you need to do in the world, but also the fact that you’re just being in your yearning and in your prayer and in knowing that there’s so much light and so much yearning for light that is such a big deal, such a big deal right now. Yeah, right. Do you want to speak more about that? Like, what does it mean to be in your prayer and your yearning? What does that look like? Hmm. Yeah. And do you have any tips of, you know, if someone really wants to or wants to bring more of that into their life, like, what could that look like? It’s a good question. I think it’s so funny because it’s it’s, it’s really simple. And I think what gets in the way of the simplicity is our feelings of, like, I’m not enough. I’m not like, I’m not eloquent enough, I don’t No. I I’m my prayers aren’t being listened to. Like, why would they? They’re stupid or like prayers stupid like and I get it and I and I totally get that. But at the end of the day, by you being you, you’re praying like you’re that you are always in that communication with the universe, even if it’s like you’re disconnected, like that still is a communication. And. You wanting something that is a communication you like, you feeling disconnected, wanting to be, wanting to feel more connected, but like not knowing how and not even acting on it. That is a communication like. So it’s kind of just realizing that, like you’re always doing it and you’re always being seen and always being listened to, and even if you’re not conscious of it, you are being listened to and you are communicating something. And. I do think that, you know, Our, our wanting is like our own. Like our desires are like, such a big. There’s such a. There. Like a hint to like your prayer, you know, so it’s like things that we’re yearning for, like a, like more money. It’s like, that is such a deep thing. Even though it might seem shallow, like I want more money. I want to, like, be able to go on vacations and like, but, like really at the root of that. What what are you wanting? Like, you want nice things so that maybe so that you can be more lovable to other people because you want more connection, or you want nice things because you really just you need more time to take care of yourself, because you just want to slow down and it’s too stressful. So it’s like it starts with like a shallow desire and then turns into a really deep and sincere yearning for something that you really need. so and to be able to hold that even without the answers, I think is like a big deal to to trust that like just by wanting it and not even know it, not even acting on anything, just wanting it, that is an act in itself. And you can totally not know how to get there and totally not know, like how will ever happen for you and totally not believe it will ever happen for you and still hold the want, still hold it and ask for it and dig deeper into it. And that itself is is actually doing something very big. It’s like kind of like doing by being in a way, like you’re Mhm. just being with being with that wants is like a big do, even though no one would consider it a doing action, an action at all. but being is a very it’s a very big action. Just being with with yourself and with your wants. And not knowing anything and just being there is such a big deal. Yeah. And if anything, that sounds very similar to like the healing process in general, we come in with like all these, you know, expectations or things that we have to fix this. I have to understand this. And it’s actually just can I be with that? Can I be with it again? And can I hold space for it? And, you know, and then that itself, it’s such work. And at the same time, that’s where it hits you. So it sounds like what you’re saying is like, can I be with my yearnings and my prayers and really meet it wherever it’s at, even if it’s like, like absence is something, right? Oh, I’m not I don’t have any prayers. And it’s like, well, that’s a prayer. That’s something. Totally. That’s what it sounds like you’re saying. That’s just so cool. and it’s so relevant, especially like this month, the upcoming months. A lot of praying, a lot of as a kid. For me, that was like a very anxious time. Yes. it’s like, oh, no, if I don’t Oh my God. pray enough or, I’m not going Yeah. to be good enough. And like, all the fear and. Right. Yeah. It’s I not really really feel that like, bad. there’s so much pressure. Like Jamila said, like, get into this, like, go and pray and do something about it. But like, at the same time, it’s kind of having a moment where you are just standing or sitting and that is your prayer. Just being there, just literally being there is the prayer. Mhm. like the Amida, it’s so funny. Like the Amida is like it’s called the Amida. It’s like the standing prayer, right? And we say all these things and we have all these requests. But at the end of the day, it’s really just about standing before God. Like with all that you are, with everything that you’re holding and standing there in front of God. I mean, it’s hard to say what, but like, just standing there and like and like. And that’s enough. That’s enough. that’s completely a prayer. Is just you being there. Hmm. Yeah. And again, I’m feeling like a call. Just like, let that sink any of them. Right. Can I, like, can I stand there? Can I just be there and bring whatever it is that I’m bringing with me? Exactly. Yeah. And so that kind of takes off all of the like, oh, I need to do something. I need to perfect myself or something wild, right? and also, I like this idea of, like, oh, King is in the field. It’s like, oh, he’s coming to your space. And you could just be. However you are, whoever you are bringing, all of you bring all your parts, right? My first idea, it’s like, maybe I have a part of me that’s, like, really excited and a part of me that’s, like, shut down and feels nothing. And maybe I have a part of me that’s, trying really, really hard to get it right. And, like, I don’t have to sort that out. I can just bring it with me. Like you’re saying. That’s what the. That’s what the prayer was supposed to be in the first place. Like that’s how it started, you know, with the, the adults. And they would like, stand in the field and be like, this is what I have with me today. And like. That’s it, you know? and then we Yeah. complicate it, and. It turns Yeah. into It’s something very over complicated our brains, you know, and also like, even, like the need to say things like, I do think that there’s a lot to be said about saying something because it’s making it like bringing it down. You know, there’s words are very important. And I, and I do believe that. But at the same time there is like this pressure, this like pressure. I have to say something. I have to know what I’m saying. I have to make sense. I have to be eloquent or have a idea of what I’m trying to say. I don’t know, like, do you? I, I feel like sometimes the best, the best relationships in my life are the ones where I don’t have to say anything at all. And I can just sit there silently with my friend and like, look at a tree or I don’t know, you know, or look at a look at a beautiful view and just be with the other person, you know. Yeah, that that feels like very. Alive and relevant. Maybe even inviting myself, you and any anyone who speaks to them of. Like, what would it be like to do that to to just look at it for a moment from that perspective, like just sitting there and looking at a tree, right. Really oversimplifying it for a moment. And like, see what happens within yourself when with that experience. Yeah. Mhm. Right. And I mean, you can even expand on that a bit like what would, what might that process look or feel like just kind of noticing over and over again and coming back to yourself and like. Yeah. Like I feel like for me, like the first thing that comes up is like. Like when, if I were to be sitting in front of a tree and I’m like, okay, I’m setting aside like five minutes to sit and like, that’s my prayer. Like, I know for me what would come up is like, that’s not enough. Because that’s just for me. Like, that’s like a thing and a reoccurring thing in my own healing is like, I’m not enough. Like I need to be more. I need to do more. I need to, you know, it’s not enough. Like I need to say something. So maybe, you know, if that were to come up just to like to be there with it and be like, yeah, I don’t feel like I’m enough. I don’t feel like this is enough. That’s a prayer, you know? I think just like allowing whatever comes up to, like, really be there. And that’s obviously really hard sometimes. Not saying that’s an easy practice, because when you’re alone and it hurts and like to just for, for a second imagine like God or whatever God it is to you, just like seeing all of it with you, like there is a presence there with you in it. You’re not alone in it. And like, let’s look at it together and like, I’m here for it, like I want you. I want all of you. Like, could you imagine really feeling that? Like there’s like this presence that wants all of you and that is looking at you, with you to explore and to be loving and compassionate and to be with you, to just be with you. Because there’s so much love there and it just wants to be with you. It is you, you know. So, I mean, I, I’m saying these things and in my relationship, I still struggle with that for sure. but but sometimes I get glimpses of, like, what it feels like to really be seen and to really, like, feel like there’s a presence with me that loves me and is and is listening to me and sees me in, in all of the ways that I come, even in the ways that I can’t even see myself. Yeah. Which reminds me again of like what we started with that when you look at like a little child. And like. Yeah, exactly. It’s just Yeah, like, I just love you. You’re so cute. you’re just you’re. Yeah. Like you’re just incredible. Everything that you are Incredible, incredible. and you sense them. You sense them feeling you like, you sense them. How you feeling them. Like they not only really feel love, but they feel you loving them. And like there’s a, there’s like a flow there and excitement. Right. Right? And that sounds like a very healing space to spend time in. Yeah. Mhm. And Yeah. that was beautiful. Yeah. So with that I feel like that’s a really wonderful place to kind of, you know like tie things up a little bit like really leaving living with that idea, that experience, even as you were explaining it and describing it like I felt the emotion bubbling up, like I just wanted to cry from joy. Like it felt so yum. delicious and like. Yeah. Really inviting people to to use this space to nourish themselves, to sense into that even a tiny bit. Like you said, it doesn’t have to be much more than that. And if parts of you come up and say, like, oh, it’s not enough, or it’s it’s like I’m not really feeling it or whatever, it’s like, yeah, you’re not really feeling it. And like that leaning in process of like, this is how you feel. Yes. Mhm. And And the like natural that in inclination itself is is a to prayer. move away. Yeah. Exactly And then. right. That’s the that is that being that walking a live prayer of what’s happening for you right now, Yeah. which could be such a shift from maybe what people are used to or Right. what I’m used to. Right. Yeah, yeah. So on that note, just checking if there’s anything else that feels important He’s alive. to name that is alive. anything else that you want to share or name? do. I facilitate sound baths and sound baths I think are really, special because it uses frequencies which were made up of like all, all matters energy. And energy is measured through frequency. And frequency basically just means how fast is something vibrating. And we have frequencies in our bodies and sound baths. Basically, you play the frequencies with different instruments that I use, singing bowls and my voice and and chimes to basically like, it tunes your body and it helps your body come back to its natural frequency. And it slows things down and helps regulate the body, which also helps create a space for like for for things to move through. That’s how I would say it is like there are things in our body that are like trapped emotions and intense feelings, and they they turn into physical sensations and they turn into energy that gets kind of like trapped in our bodies if we’re not, like, aware of it. And I feel like the frequencies help us move, calm our, our nervous system so much that it’s easy for whatever needs to come through, like just to move through. So there’s some people, some people cry, some people laugh, some people scream. Some people need to like, move and shake their bodies. but, I do really think that there’s a lot of different ways to get in touch with prayer and a lot of different ways to heal ourselves. as like we’re aware of now with all the research, there’s just endless ways to heal ourselves. And, the more healers, the better. I think we I said this at the party, which is like, different healers for different kinds of healers. And, I recommend, sound baths for people who, aren’t really into the heady stuff. I want to get out of their head, into their body, want to listen to sounds and explore what the sounds kind of bring up for them. And, it’s a very delightful experience in my in my personal opinion, it’s like delightful for the senses. And also it’s helpful. It’s helpful for relaxation and for allowing things to, like, settle in your body and move. And, and just like recommending that like, there are so many ways like feel things to feel your emotions. There’s so many ways to get in touch with your with your prayers and with your wants and, and with yourself and just encouraging people to just there’s so many interesting, fun, delightful ways to heal. It doesn’t have to be so heavy. It doesn’t have to be so intense. It can be. It totally can be and should be when it needs to be. But there’s just so many ways to do it. And I think that the world is becoming more aware of that now. And, just encouraging people to explore new ways, and, and to follow your intuition and figure out what’s good for you. Yeah. So how can they find you? How can they check out this? They’re visiting Jerusalem, and, uh. So, yes, Then I do what? sound, but I do sound baths right now, a month like once a month. But I’m probably going to start doing it more often. But if you want to get in touch with me, I have an Instagram. it’s for my band at the moment, so it’s called Levite Band. you can get in touch with me there and and also WhatsApp. WhatsApp. If you get in touch with me on Instagram, then I’ll give you my WhatsApp and I’ll and I’ll add you to the groups that I’m that I have for sound baths. you all for listening. If this spoke to you, please, um, share it with someone that you can, you know, look at a tree with and maybe listen to it or watch it while you’re looking at your tree. Um. Welcome the prayers and. Until next time. Yay! Mhm. Click a vote. Mhm. Thank you so much. Mhm. So fun. Bye, Yes. everyone.